I spent an hour discussing the Pledge of Allegiance and related issues with conservative radio host Michael Medved on February 18, 2016. Michael agrees that it’s wrong for teachers to berate kids who choose to opt out of the pledge, and I explained to him that, from my perspective at the AHA legal center, I can see that such mistreatment is commonplace. Nevertheless, not surprisingly, he still feels that conducting a daily nationalistic recital isn’t problematic. In fact he comes out as pro-nationalism. The Medved web site is here, with access to archives. Go to Feb. 18, 2016.